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100331:
Dear George, can you please bring Theseus into the story, like as a subplot and his adventure with the Minotaur and his mother's back-story. And can you put Ares, god of war, and Otrera, his bride, in the series along with these gods:DionysusHephaistosAthenaApolloZeusPoseidonHestiaDemeterHermesand that bitch Hera? Please?
100331:
Dear George, can you please bring Theseus into the story, like as a subplot and his adventure with the Minotaur and his mother's back-story. And can you put Ares, god of war, and Otrera, his bride, in the series along with these gods:DionysusHephaistosAthenaApolloZeus
100331:
Dear George, can you please bring Theseus into the story, like as a subplot and his adventure with the Minotaur and his mother's back-story. And can you put Ares, god of war, and Otrera, his bride, in the series along with these gods:
100331:
Are you going to make a TV Series or webseries out of this?
carrot167:
The term's mythological, not historical. The myth of the Amazons aren't true, except the warrior maidens found living in the Amazons rainforest.
Hey:
You guys, George is still alive!! I found his facebook page and he updates it regularly with sailor moon reviews I believe. www.facebook.com/george.hutcheon.18
Kiirsten:
Do you still keep up with this?
CrystalBlackHeart:
... Wow I was away for at least three years this time and you only did two pages while I was gone...
ralanr:
I just heard of this comic from TVtropes. Buddy this comic is awesome! I laughed so many times! Please keep it going!
YOUR BIGGEST FAN EVER:
Please George, don't let this comic die. I've grown so close to the characters that it feels like they have all died by you not updating! Please.. Continue this masterpiece! DONT FORSAKEN YOUR GIFT OF ART.
YOUR BIGGEST FAN EVER:
For the love of Ess, George!I remember coming across this comic YEARS ago! I even posted it on 4chan! Everyone LOVED it! Especially the /b/ board...
Temperance:
I still love this comic. And any comic that can keep bringing up back after a year, hoping for an update, has proved its worth and its hold on us. I logged in today to get the url, and share it with friends.
Von Hohenheim:
Really enjoyed reading all of these. Hope it carries on some day.
M:
Well over a year. I'm calling time of death at this point. Too bad too, it was a fun comic
DWolf:
@Carrot167 The comic isn't meant to be a historical record. Besides, I can't remember the last time the comic was updated.
carrot167:
The Amazons were VIRGINS! They were not lesbian and it's not Hippolyte, it's Hippolyta! And Hippolyte(a) never had a daughter, and the Amazons were all sisters and Otrera was the mother of the Amazons. Hippolyte(a) is married to Theseus, Poseidon's son, and they had a son, Hippolytos, and their son loved his slave Phaedra.
kali:
i started reading this about a week ago and i don't think i've ever enjoyed a comic series this much! i love the characters (I both love and hate Panatariste), the plots are interesting too. I have never had a comic actually make me laugh out loud, so yes excellent, and I love your portrayal of varied female characters. 10/10
des:
keep the comic going!! how long has it been afoot? i realy luv this comic please please please keep it going
Alex J G:
I just discovered this comic today. I find the characters interesting and the stories funny. My only complaint is that it seems to have stopped. Please keep up the good work
cati:
This comic is fantastic. It would be amazing if it was continued. (Pretty please)
KenzE=mc^2:
George!!! I miss the comic!!!!!!!! you say things are afoot?!?! what kind of things?!?!
kyubbishego:
please please please please please continue this I've been very patient
kyubbishego:
please continue this I've been very patient!
scott the ice prince:
i read so all the way to wintervals tale in one day
Josh:
Please, come back!
donbionicle:
damn this comic is weirdBUT I LIKE IT
donbionicle:
damn this comic is wierd
DWolf2k2:
Please Hurry George! I miss this comic!! *whine*
eelee:
Yay! I like things! Seriously - this comic is too good to let languish.
Akko:
Bugger me! I heard you were dead!
Inkfrost:
Wow, hello George! Your comic is wonderful!
Whom:
No, I'm not here.
George (for it is he):
If there's anyone here still reading this: things are afoot.
DWolf2k2:
George! Come back!! We NEEED U!!
Lee:
HTML editor? Huh. In my day we had to edit rae HTML with our bare hands, and pay t'mill owner for permission to come to work.
Kumoness:
Ack. Poor George is having bad luck lately. Good luck on the new hard drive/html editor hunt!
Josh:
No, not again!
Akko:
I don't mind a hiatus or two, but let us know at least.
Henry the 7ighth:
Buy Canadian Viagra.Nah, just kidding.... or AM I?
Akko:
Ah. Fair enough.
green_meklar:
The usual.
Akko:
I might be missing something...but what's happened?
sailortitan:
...my fanfic isn't an evil!Serenity fic. I promise. X);
sailortitan:
http://www.moonsenshi.net is my fanfic X) I'm working on it right now, in fact. You're in the links section.Also, that really sucks about the hard drive. :C I'm using Amaya, I like it: http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ but my needs are pretty basic. You can also learn a lot of stuff on w3schools.com if you need to code the old fashioned way.
Judith:
Ah, I hope you can get an new hard drive or whatever it is you need. Good luck!
George (for it is he):
Quick update: My hard drive died, and so I'm currently without an HTML editor. Looking to remedy the situation as soon as I can. Also... Sailor Moon fanfic, you say?
sailortitan:
Hang in there, George. If I can keep plugging at my sailor moon fanfic, you can keep plugging at this. ;-)
George (for it is here):
Oh, I'm still here. Just... being slow. I will finish this short arc, despite it being a bit less seasonal than it was...
rexmon21:
when well there be more(do the dishes!).
sailortitan:
oh my there's a new comic here. I had given up hope!
Judith:
Ah! No, re-appear! this is cool, and interesting! And we miss you, as well
Ohnoe:
George is back and left again!
Temperance:
He's back he's back he's back he's back he's back! (By the way, we missed you.)
Bas:
So great you're back. This has been my and my teen daughters favourite webcomic!
George (for it is he):
Well, this is an Amazon children's story so it makes sense to set it when the main characters were children. This will be a short arc, though - just a few pages, then we'll be back to business as usual.
rexmon21:
the kids look so cute, also how is that doll of that Ess has.
rexmon21:
its(crying) beautiful, its been so long, and why make one back to where they are kids?
Amber Palowakski:
An update! Yayyyy!
Raihosha:
HE LIVES!
Klaus:
OMG IT'S BACK!
BR:
HOORAY!
Judith:
Oh! An update! awesomeness!
BR:
Give it time, at least he updated.
General Tommy:
...It's Christmas Day over here, and still no comic...
Judith:
Ah, Can't wait to see the installment.
George (for it is he):
Check back on Christmas Eve for the first installment of A Winterval's Tale, the Amazoness! seasonal holiday-type story.
rexmon21:
i am glad you agree BR
BR:
hooray! Please let it be by at least next year. also ess+girlfriend=great
Amber Palowakski:
Yay! George is alives! Woo hoo!
rexmon21:
also toll you 2012 believers, it said on yahoo.com months ago that 2012 was incorrect and is not for another 50-100 years.
rexmon21:
finally, and if i may give a few ideas, what if ess and slave become a cuple, and what if she started to get buffer?
George (for it is he):
Amazoness! will be back shortly with a one-off, semi-canon special for Wintervalmas. TELL YOUR FRIENDS (but only if they like irregularly scheduled webcomics involving poorly-drawn giant lesbians).
Judy:
That is awesome. I hope you are ok.
Foxby:
WOOOOOOOO
dude:
hooray!
Wolfers:
Huzzah!!
George (for it is he):
I am back from my spiritual journey. Much like Dante, I have... wait, i dunno how Inferno actually ended. The comic will return shortly along with a site revamp. If anyone is still actually watching, I have returned.
hihi:
Its been almost a whole year now. Is he dead?
5318008:
If no update by 105105, then humankind still not alive.
Amber Palowaksi:
I think George either gave up on this comic or is very sick or very dead
Crystal:
wow this is taking forever to move on I have seen this comic up for the last 5 months and counting.
Spam master:
I say we spam this site, so when he decides to come back it will have viruses all over it.
hihi:
...sigh...
rexmon21:
hat i disscuserd on yahoo that recent studys show that thay were off on the mien calender by 50-100 years.
ody:
is it still going??
dude:
If no update by 2012, the comic is officially dead.
Josh:
I really want to know how the Cyrene and Ekphobippe story ends...
hihi:
No, I mean't the comic, not George, he's fine I think.
tau786:
how long has is been now? if it rly dead R.I.P you will and are missed
Whut?:
George DIED? D:
hihi:
I can't believe I'm saying this,I've been so positive, but its dead.
Kumo:
I hope George is ok too.
Kenzy:
It has been sooo long since an update, i miss this comic come back please
Jamos16:
I hope George is ok
rexmon21:
yepy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Katboy:
It's been a while! Please tell me you haven't quit with this great comic!
Amber Palowakski:
YAY! George is alive and well! :-)
D-Wolf:
Just got a reply from George!!!No, it's not dead. My circumstances have just been a bit difficult of late, and I haven't been in a position to make updates. I hope to be back soon.
D-Wolf:
I know I just sent one.
bob:
Why don't we all send e-mail?
br:
...uhhh, why not you?
wer:
E-mailing George seems like a good idea. So, who's going to e-mail him??
Gabe Puratekuta:
Try narrowing your search down to "comedy", "sprite", and "parody". If you still cant find it, then I'll just send a link
Hey:
Why don't we just email George, his e-mail should be up there on the menu somewhere,right?
GoGET:
All of them i think?
Gabe Puratekuta:
Really? What categories did you try searching under?
GoGET:
I typed it in the search but I couldn't find it Gabe Puratekuta.
rexmon21:
i.....say no to qwe altho im looseing hope for it.
Gabe Puratekuta:
@qwe: I say nay and get the patient stick out
Gabe Puratekuta:
Well, it's called "The Weird Adventures of Link X and Friends" or TWALF for short. I got it hosted on DrunkDuck
qwe:
Man,this site is hopeless, you should stop coming to this site. The only thing interesting on this site is the comments, and they're starting to get seriously boring too. I am giving up on this. All who agree say "I".
pony:
Gabe what is the name of your web comic?
Gabe Puratekuta:
Since mid-March, I think. The longest it's been without an update was six months, though
tau786:
how long has it be? i lost track
rexmon21:
i guess i was wrong.looks he wont make more(crying).
Pie:
Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! I can't take it anymore! *jumps off cliff*
Gabe Puratekuta:
Don't make me get the patient stick!!
Mea:
[sigh]
Sami:
Update!!! Update... I need this to live... :ob:ob:ob:::weep::
Gabe Puratekuta:
Hey, I plan to update it. I'm just getting a bit of a writers' block right now
we:
Someone email George about this in the contact link up there.
Yeah:
Gabe, it's not really active if you haven't updated it in over a year.
Gabe Puratekuta:
I seriously doubt that. Hell, I still have an active comic that hasn't updated in over a year
Tonyes:
TT^TT
hihi:
He's dead...;-;
Liara:
Is the comic dead? But I really liked it while there were still updates... T_T
DWolf2k2:
George? Where are you George? *Search**search*
Moo:
It may be dead, but I'll keep checking back to see anyways, I'm still waiting for PAWN to update after all. :P
rexmon21:
i say he will some time this summer all hwo agre say i.
lame:
That's it! I have had it with this guy not updating! I'm going to ditch this comic. Everyone don't read the comic because don't expect it to be updated!!
Gabe Puratekuta:
No, it's not dead. George just has a bad reputation with keeping updates
JD:
Its...its dead. I've come to terms with it.
rexmon21:
i wonder if he well ever make a new page couse i relly liked it when i found it many mounths ago and i'd relly like to see more of it.
Gabe Puratekuta:
HAH! Jokes on you, Donkey! I knew you didn't
rexmon21:
donky your an even biger asshole any hwo agre say i
o_O:
Yep, it's officially time to remove this from my bookmarks.
monkey:
What.The.Hel*...
Donkey K.:
Ha! Ha! Ha! You idiots fell for my trick! I didn't kill myself, I'm not retarded... But you guys are for being so mean.
MB:
The comments have become more interesting than the comic.
rexmon21:
hihi thanks a lot and (girl shremen as if she was in a horrer film).
hihi:
This is stupid!! Its obvious they are lying! You guys didn't do anything wrong, its Donkey K's fault that he said something insulting about George. Monkey, Gabe,and rexmon21, I got your back!
Gabe Puratekuta:
........
werewolf:
This is scary. The dude did do it. In Nebraska on the news they said a kid named Shaun MacCarthy stabbed himself in the stomach hidden in a closet.
hotdog:
This is scary. The dude did do it. In Nebraska on the news they said a kid named Shaun MacCarthy stabbed himself in the stomach hidden in a closet.
monkey:
Fine. Peace.
rexmon21:
first off hay monkey i forgot about you so you never did anser about wating to make peace and secent did he relly kill him self every 1 hide!
Dude:
whoa... o.O
Friend:
What the heck! YOU MADE DONKEY KILL HIMSELF! HE WAS MY NEXT DOOR NIEGHBOR TOO! THE JUST ANNOUNCE IT ON THE NEWS IN IOWA! MURDERERS! MURDERERS! :EVIL I HATE YOU ALL!
Donkey K.:
You guys are so mean! I didn't do nothin' wrong! I'm killing my self!
Akko:
stop stop stop! This is a nice forum where people get on and have civilised conversations. So pack it in the lot of you before I tell George on you! haw haw.
monkey:
How dare you! I do not agree with that a**hole Donkey K.!! Even I care about George's well being.
rexmon21:
donkey k your an asshole.any hwo agres say monky.and gabe your a good person.
Gabe Puratekuta:
Now, that's not a nice thing to say. Everyone should care about someone's well being
Donkey K.:
Uhh... Actually, I prefer the comic more than his well being. I mean he talks to us but the comic is never updated. oh, and Gabe Puratekuta go die in a hole. You annoy the crap out of me.
Gabe Puratekuta:
Oh, and you were right the first time Amber. It's hiatuses
Gabe Puratekuta:
Yeah, we're starting to get worried....
Amber Palowakski:
But yes, Gfeorge, please at least tell us you are alive. Your health and well-being is even more important than the comic, and we want to know that you are at least ok!
Amber Palowakski:
George has been known to go through very long hiatuses (or is it hiatusi?) Anyways, he has been through ones almost as long as this, though I think this is the longest one yet. Be patient, hge'll eventrually through us a word. I hope.
hotdog:
I don't know but he mentioned it before. He didn't go much in detail about her.
rdcottage:
i belief this comic is dead
rexmon21:
hotdog i dont like to critesive but every thing after married is kinda werd p.s. i did not know george had girlfriend what she like.
rexmon21:
hotdog i dont like to critesive but every thing after married is kinda werd p.s. i did not know george had girlfriend what she like.
hotdog:
I think George died. The breaks between comics gets longer and longer, he probably was in a gang then he got shot. Hopefully not. May he and his girlfriend are getting married so he doesn't have time to make the comic, or they broke and he is hiding in a cave depressed.
rexmon21:
i say its not dead i say he's wayting for the summer to hite garented he'll have something.p.s. Geaorge pleas have something by the summer.
Akko:
I don't have a DA account, no. Geaorge just probably over-slept or something.
Gabe Puratekuta:
Seems like a normal hiatus to me
xXx:
This comic is as dead as it can be
Berserk:
Her slave right?*
Berserk:
Who's Tryphosa?
Gabe Puratekuta:
I think they would, too
rexmon21:
i wander if ess and tryphosa would make good lovers anyone....anyone?
rexmon21:
belanidi looks like a deman.
rexmon21:
akko im tring to make pice here.hay do you have a DA accont.
Akko:
FIGHT!
rexmon21:
ok......i'm sorry lets stop and agre to be nice to ecuther deal?
monkey:

rexmon21:
im with gabe and p.s. monky it was a joke lighten up and if your gona be that mean news flash you dont know hwo i am or wher i live so your gona have a hard time seting me on fire so eat puke 2'nd dagery bure oche.
Gabe Puratekuta:
Nope. This is normal. George would've said something if he was going to stop
rdcottage:
comic dead?
Gabe Puratekuta:
Whoa!! Calm down there, dude. Wouldn't want your head to explode, right?
monkey:
Touchy!? Touchy!? Whose being touchy!? I'm not being touchy!?(eye twitching)
Gabe Puratekuta:
Don't be so touchy, man. It's not good for your health
Sara:
Hiatus means like a break from something.
monkey:
Not the way how your gonna burn... as in actual flames!
rexmon21:
somebody better call 911 couse you gust got burrrned monkey.
Gabe Puratekuta:
It means get a dictionary :P
monkey:
Yes, but what does hiatus "mean"??
Gabe Puratekuta:
It's the plural form of "hiatus"
rexmon21:
whats a hiatuses and perssonaly i think is like my youtub accunt not dia just sort on stof right gourge?
Tazzy (for it is she):
Check thine email, George.
Gabe Puratekuta:
Of course not. George just has the tendency to go on unexpected hiatuses
Sara:
Did the comic die?
rexmon21:
you i wander if ess well ever get tall and buff like the other amazones.
rexmon21:
me to sarah.
Judith:
yes, i want those buttons so much, even if it would be expensive(for me) to get them...they look sooo nice
Berserk:
And I couldnt even find were to get my Ess badge
Sarah:
I love the comic! The humour and the nice bright art.
hotdog:
He probably has a broken arm or something, so it might take a while.
rexmon21:
sorry,patience, beeing held up i'v read thise comic 3 or 4 times.the ship of payshins is deaing man i love thise comic so pleas make at least make a few by next week.
DWolf2k2:
*misses new comic, but understands RL sucks*
wright:
George, you're doing this comic for FREE. That earns you a lot of slack, in my book. No worries.
George (for it is he):
I'm not dead or anything. I'm just being held up by some things outside of the comic. I aplogise.
Moo:
We in the church of George have learned that waiting is part of the doctrine.
Gabe Puratekuta:
Patience is a virtue. Besides, George's record is, what, three months?
motherf*****:
What the **** is the up date!! This is getting annoying!!! ******
JamoS:
why has there not been an update you ok george?
Rowan:
Archive Binge time~
RGE:
Well, yes, George is the writer. And the artist. Unless he keeps a little art monkey trapped, forcing it to draw what a room full of writer monkeys write. On the internet, you never can tell.
rexmon21:
is george the righter?
DJ:
D: Needz more Amazoness...
rexmon21:
its monday.why is thair no new page?
Akko:
True fact.
Greenpastries:
Standard stuff. Hiatuses are pretty normal around here.
rexmon21:
i thought this comic is posted every monday and fridayand it been two weeks.
lookingforanswer:
Will there be updates in the (near) future?
sailortitan:
Don't say I didn't tell you so, George. ;-)
Gonz:
You should totally add your comic to comicHovel.com so I can save it to my faves. =]
George (for it is he):
They're up to no good, I shouldn't wonder. But I'd best avoid local politics here, given that I managed to get into an argument about ancient Greek social policy.
Judith:
as an American, I would like to know what the Tories are doing...so? do you know what they are doing then?
Judith:
oh, site facelift, that will be cool to see. and the forums can be axed, i think the last use was more than an year ago...good luck with keeping the site glued together
George (for it is he):
Also, the forums will be axed. Will anybody mourn their passing? CERTAINLY NOT ME.
George (for it is he):
State your price! Um, seriously though, I'm working on a facelift for the site that's taken a bit longer than planned. It's not helped by the mid-nineties-era HTML I use to keep this place stuck together.
Mel:
I will pay you to update on time. I'm not joking.
Foxby:
It's George. There'll be a new one when he's got time.
Judith:
I was going to say, of course no new today, its an holiday, then i remembered, no its an american holiday very so, so er, no new today, eh?
sailor_titan:
*reading twitter feed* I'm working on a novel with a transman in it.
Foxby:
There were cultures that believed the bowels were the center of emotion. "You move me, baby! ...You move my bowwwwwwelllllsssss."
RGE:
Those crazy people. I mean, I don't really know for sure that I even have a brain, because it's not as if I've seen inside my skull. But it seems like a pretty safe assumption that whatever is in there is doing my thinking. Could be because that's where most of my sensory organs are situated.
George (for it is he):
Some ancients favoured the brain as the seat of consciousness, others thought it was the heart (maybe because it's a more conspicuously vital organ?). As for alternate functions for the brain: Aristotle reckoned it regulated body temperature. Bear in mind these are the same people who thought flies had four legs and buzzards had three testicles.
RGE:
Huh. What did they think the brain was for then? And what did they think did the thinking? Though I could understand that they might not call it "brain" but rather settle for "head".
George (for it is he):
Yes it is, and that occurred to me when I was writing it. Sadly I couldn't think of a more pleasing way to put it >.>
Lee:
Um... is it an anachronism for them to know that the brain is the seat of thinking?
Solarius Scorch:
@ sailor_titan: you have a point, but I'm expecting it to show any time soon...
George (for it is he):
When did you last check? o.o
Laura:
Wow this suck this comic hasn't updated one bit since I last check! Dear goddesses!
sailor_titan:
what part of her is dere?
Gabe Puratekuta:
Hey now, don't yell at the lyre girl. She didn't do anything wrong
Solarius Scorch:
Now it's official: Belanidi is a tsundere.
George (for it is he):
So let's not go further down this road, because I don't want this to get too personal. Let's simply acknowledge our different positions and respectfully disagree. I've found this an engaing discussion which has encouraged me to brush up on some of my classical history; I do hope that you've got something out of it as well.
George (for it is he):
Social engineering? Yikes. Look, when I began this discussion, I had no idea that we were arguing from such different standpoints. We clearly have very different views on what constitutes oppression. When we can't even agree on the nature of the fundamental concept underpinning this argument, it's unlikely we're ever going to agree.
rd cottage:
small thing to argue against. Nice to see close mindedness feminist programming at work. What sad is you close out the possibility it wasn’t the “big bad men” that was keeping women down; rather it was more likely natural development between men and women that resulted in the gender role of women had to take care of the house. You keep up the shame tactics though. It’s a testament to feminist social engineering.
rd cottage:
Are you comparing women to slaves in the south? That’s a pretty big leap. Nice to see social engineering at work. A person tries to argue that women weren’t treated as sub species but just moderately discriminated against. Then the shame tactics come out to try and shut them up. I notice you ignored most of my argument and just picked out one
George (for it is he):
Just been to the post office to work out postage rates for different parts of the world. Badges should be available in a few days!
Berserker:
Gotta get me an Ess badge pronto.
sailor_titan:
and then I had to go back and read all the "everyone finds out Eutropia is a d00d" comics because they're so awesome.
sailortitan:
I want the Eutropia badge!
George (for it is he):
That's it? That's your argument? That if you haven't risen up against your oppressors, it means you're fine with how you're being treated? I suppose Lincoln wasted his time freeing the slaves, then. If they really wanted to be free, they'd have liberated themselves. Good grief.
rd cottage:
they accepted it or it was nessary for society to function. otherwise women would stand up and demand rights and get it, just like what happened in mordern western society.
rd cottage:
thats also fnny since in western culture men contorled evertything. if the women in a certain area want equal right they can get it. the probelm is they accept thier role in that society. women don't just look around and say "i'm being opressed but i'm just going to sit and do nothing." if women have been mistreated in the past it is because
rd cottage:
how are the women supposed to overcome opression. well i'd have to say the same way western women did. if the women of a any societyt thought thier treament was bad, they could overthrow it. in only 50 years women in western society have gain all of the rights they wanted from men. amazing how 10,000 years of opression is mostly gone.
George (for it is he):
I suspect RD is referring to the fact that Sparta had a better track record with the treatment of women, as did (to a lesser extent) various Ionian and Aeolian city states. Athens was the most culturally influential power, though, and it was also the Athenians and their similarly-aligned neighbours who were obsessed with the Amazons.
Foxby:
Did... did he say "Greeks as a whole"? The more I hear from this guy, the less I think he knows about Greece.
George (for it is he):
So I'm saying that, yes, in most of these societies, it is extremely difficult for women to do much about their poor treatment. When men control the government, the economy, the military and religion, while women are denied education and even freedom of movement, their view dismissed as inconsequential, how exactly are they supposed to resist?
George (for it is he):
So you're arguing that it isn't possible for any society to repress its women? If that's the case, then I suppose women living under regimes like the Taliban are perfectly happy with their lot, since they haven't risen up against their oppressors. You're ignoring the asymmetryic nature of the problem.
rdcottage:
(continue) agreeing with george. if george wants mindless praise and nothing else; let him say so. if wants the comment section to be used what it was ment for; let him say so. and ues, i mad a lot of mistakes in my last comment on purpose. so unless you you can actually argue aganist me stop calling me a troll and complaining about grammer errors
rdcottage:
(continue) bad treament if they didn't think they had a equal compensation. @ salior titan, first you need to tell who your talking to an your supposly a english major. secound i assume your talking to me so, i all have say is sorry i don't reread my comments five times to make sure there right. what ithink your annoyed about is i'm not mindlessly
rdcottage:
george i'm not agrueing that women weren't equal in greek culture. what i'm argueing is that women were not hated and treated like dirt. i was also taking about greeks as a whole. whats ironic is that you are making women look bad saying that women were unable to stand up to treament that was horrible. i'm saying women would not stand for such
George (for it is he):
If you can, seek out a radio sitcom called Acropolis Now (but not the Australian TV of the same name... which might be good, but isn't as relevant). It sends up ancient Athenian gender politics, philosophy, drama and cultural relations beautifully. One of the main influences on this comic alongside Chelmsford 123 and the original Blackadder.
sailortitan:
And with the porn joke, you are officially the best webcomic writer evar XD!!
sailortitan:
Call me a snobby English major, but I'm inclined to think that anyone trying to argue a point without even attempting to use proper grammar and spelling is probably a waste of time. ^.^~
Sam:
In contrast, Spartan women had rights. They told the Athenians the difference was because only Spartan women could give birth to real men. Of course, the Spartans could be pretty oppressive too, but it was class-based rather than gender-based.
Sam:
Have you heard of Lysistrata? That's the play where women try to stop a war by refusing to have sex until the war's called off. The point was that war is so bad *even WOMEN could see how bad it is*. And the women nearly blow it because they're worse at controlling their sexual impulses than the men.
Sam:
Ancient Athens was one of the most misogynistic societies in history. They were very pro-gay, because homosexuality allowed love between equals. Yeah… Try arguing that one today. Sure, they had goddesses, but that's because the proto-Indo-European religion had them. And presumably gods could overcome female weaknesses.
Foxby:
Thinking back, I can't think of many societies that actually were female-dominated, save the Amazons.
George (for it is he):
rd: Explain how the presence of Goddesses was in any way empowering to women who were denied, education, property, inheritance and voting rights. Assuming they weren't abandoned as unwanted babies, of course. And I'm pretty sure society can function if half or even most of the members are unhappy. Isn't that how feudalism and slavery work?
George (for it is he):
sailortitan: I'm not convinced I'm dealing with a troll... although I have to admit I'm notoriously bad at spotting them. That said, I can't quite believe I'm being forced to defend the position that women were treated badly in ancient Athens, which is after all only the view of every modern historian.
rd cottage:
but if you look at the greek myths you see the greek godesses having serious power. like hera who would go aganist zeus many times. yes she had a bad reputation but she could activley fight zeus and even one time got the rest of the gods to follow her in a upriseing to overthorw him. the myth that women had no power in sociey is a big lie.
rd cottage:
first saliortitan any person who has a differnt view point isn't a troll. secound do you think if women were treated so badly and had no power in the society what so ever they would just sit there and take it. a society can't function if half the society is being treated horribly and unhappy. yes mabye socrates and aristotles hated women
sailortitan:
Ignore the trolls, george. ;-)
George (for it is he):
Read the works of Socrates, Aristotle, et al. They all took the view that women were unintelligent, volatile beings who were dangerous if not tamed, much like wild animals. Even Plato, who felt that women were treated unfairly, still maintained that "it is only men who are created directly by the Gods and given souls."
George (for it is he):
You need more women alive than men? This was not the Athenian attitude. Plato describes how families would commonly keep at most one female child, and leave any others to die. How does this square with your argument that women were valued members of society?
rd cottage:
their society formed around gender roles that had been formed out of necessity. you need someone to care of the home, the childern, the crops in the backyard. then you need to someone to make people. women did this. if women went to war who would make more people. you need more women alive then men. thier death rate was bad with child birth.
rd cottage:
when you ignore the fact thier main god was athena a warrior godess. then you could look at the spartans who expected thier woman to be strong warriors when their homeland was in danger. thier are storys of sparten women who died in battle in prorction of sparta. the greeks were not oppressing women with a iron fist.
rd cottage:
when you ignore the fact thier main god was athena a warrior godess.
rd cottage:
so the atheninans thought women would not be able to take care of themselve but they make a myth that say's the secound they are left alone they form a competent society? as for women being property in athens society this was common in most societys. it's easy to say hey they were treated like property that means they fear and hate strong women
Foxby:
Is it bad that I looked at the chart, checked the yellows, then only looked at a few others so I wouldn't think of myself as pervy scum?
George (for it is he):
Ancient Egypt, though hardly egalitarian, afforded women more rights, and their system seemed to work. Sexism was simply part of the dominant philosophy of Athens. Most philosophers perceived women as naive beings ruled by their emotions, who needed the protection and guidance of men. Plato had different ideas, but he was very much the exception.
George (for it is he):
I realise this is ironic coming from someone whose comic treats slavery in a very flippant manner, but you're glossing over the fact that Athenian women were little more than property. They couldn't enter into contracts or own anything of real value. I'm afraid I don't buy the argument that this was necessary for society to function.
rdcottage:
because before modern conviences men couldn't do the task of care of the babys. men had no fuctioning boobs. in a world were maybye two of six childern survived to adulthood. that resulted in when needing women to be pregant all the time to keep humans from dyeing out. so women couldn't be a poltician because they were keeping society going.
rdcottage:
women got everything they needed and all they were supposed to do was take care of the house. which was a nessary task for society to work. this symbaitic relationship resulted in men voteing but it ultimately was being dictated by the women of the society. if women were at the head of society running everything the symbotic relationship break.
rdcottage:
women were excluded from the political process? Well if you mean athens were only men were allowed to vote well that is because only men were expected to go to war, lay down thier lifes for women, provide women and the childern all the materials they needed. yes women were excluded but it was because men were expected to give women the best home.
George (for it is he):
...and with that, I seriously need to get back to working on the current comic!
prode:
Hey, thanks a lot, George! It really helps a lot to understand the comic!
George (for it is he):
Alternatively, if the Greeks saw nothing wrong with women running society, why were they excluded from the political process? I follow the interpretation that the Amazon myths were a product of how women were thought of at the time. Not saying there aren't other valid interpretations, but that's the one that's always made the most sense to me.
George (for it is he):
Not saying that all female warrior myths are sexist, but those of the Greeks are very suspect. Take the labours of Herakles: he took on giants and impossible creatures... and women. The idea of women taking up arms and forming their own soceity was every bit as foreign and weird to the ancient Greeks as mythological beasties with three heads.
rd cottage:
myths deeply sexist. no i'd have to disagree. there are a lot female warrior hero myths. men needed women to protect the home when they went off to war. amazon were protrayed as feared blood thirty warrior women was because thier main god was Ares the god of war. so the greeks showed them as really violent because of it.
George (for it is he):
Ununnilium: The dislike is mostly on Cyrene's side, true, but I think it's reasonable to assume Eutropia's feelings towards her aren't all that positive right now...
George (for it is he):
rd: In fact, the myths were deeply sexist! They represented Greek fears of what women might get up to if men weren't around to keep them in line. There's a reason the myths all end with the Amazons either being defeated or converted into 'normal' women. They were villains, monsters even! Portraying my Amazons in that manner would be depressing, no?
George (for it is he):
rd: There are many Amazon myths and they all contradict each other. It's absolutely necessary to pick and choose those myths to tell a consistent story. I'd say my Amazons are pretty bloodthirsty, but this is a comedy primarily, so there's a limit. The business with Ares is debatable, but I'll agree the myths weren't about female empowerment...
Ununnilium:
Also: Is Eutropia/Cyrene really *mutual* dislike? Eutropia seems more bewildered by her than anything.
Ununnilium:
Well, if they were fictional originally, then why not?
rd cottage:
(you choose the only one or two myth origins were they were some what ok morally) grammer fix
rd cottage:
i read some of this webcomic and you made the most postive view possible. in the greek myths amazons were just as blood thirsty as the spartans.you ignore that Ares was thier main god. you choose the only one or two myth origins were they weren some what ok. also amazons weren't about female impowermant they were there to give Ares a city.
George (for it is he):
Today's comic is a nine panel behemoth! Watch this space...
George (for it is he):
The moral: That while love might inspire us to do insane, dangerous things in its name, we can better serve our loved ones by staying safe and not taking silly risks. Based on an observation once made by Tazzy (for it is she) that always struck me as very profound.
Prode:
Wow, kate: such an adventurous spirit!...a pity it didn't turn out well.
Prode:
Cool! The goth gang is back! Nice comic George...but I can't stop thinking: what was the moral Melanippe was about to say?
Kate!!!:
it doesnt mix well at all...
Kate!!!:
ok, thanks!!!ima use ccallipygian very, very soon...prolly next time someone grabs jordan's arse when im around... > mwahaha! thanks! ......blech... i just learned that putting dark chocolate in the microwave to melt it, and then putting milk in to make choc milk is NASTY!!! it didnt mix.....and i dang near broke the cup while microwaving...
Heraclea:
They now have names!
Foxby:
I think the only person who knew that word before this comic was George. He then went to Dictionary.com, Wikipedia, etc., and added it.
Temperance:
My favorite web comic posted--and I learn a new word. Apparently a WONDERFUL new word to lay on my friends. heehehee.
JD:
...I still think it would be awesome if Cyrene and Ekphobippe were together
Foxby:
...Is... is George making an apology-something for having a late comic? Really? I... I think I see a horseman...
George (for it is he):
Gah, I suck. Comic will be up tomorrow, along with a little something extra to make up for my failure.
George (for it is he):
Kate: I used Ranger 2 to get those. I like Miltank and Mawile, myself! And everyone: new comic later today!
George (for it is he):
Sam: That's a good question. My assumption is that it's as obscure a word in Ancient Greek as it is in English. There were a lot of dialects back then - Sappho, for instance, would speak Aeolic - and though I've never really gone into it, the Amazon also have their own (rather crude) version of Greek. Also, Cyrene isn't a native speaker anyway...
Sam:
Firstly: Um... They're speaking Greek, right? So... How has Cyrene lived with the Amazons for so long without learning the Greek word for buttocks? Do the Amazons only ever use a cruder term? Judging by comic #163, I wouldn't put it past them. Secondly: Anyone remember whether we've ever seen Cyrene from behind?
Prode:
Btw, Kate, acording to wiki, callipygian means "having beautiful buttocks".
Prode:
Great comic as always, George!
Kate!!!:
hey, dumb question, but you play diamond, right? where did you find manaphy and darkrai??? deys is my 2 faves besides arcanine and blazekein!!!
Kate!!!:
what's callipygian mean?? O.o i keep reading it as 'capilligyan'... >.< luv da comic btw!!! keep it up, George!!!
Taz (for it is she):
And the use of "callipygian" is included in the comic uploaded closest to my birthday. I'm touched, really.
Moo:
Callipygian indeed. Heh, looks like Cyrene is in a heap of trouble now.
George (for it is he):
This update should have been up earlier, but internet problems intervened. So, um here it is, anyway.
JD:
>_>
George (for it is he):
Comic is on its way; watch this space!
JD:
Am I the only one who would like seeing Cyrene and Ekphobippe as a couple?!
sailor_titan:
start with something smaller and work your way up, like once a month. Then if ou're doing better than that, it will encouage you.
Moo:
Huh. o.O Well the more you know! Yay update.
wright:
Bwahaha! Deinomache, terror of the cadet Amazons (well, Ess at least)as the object of someone's affections... Funny and somehow touching.
George (for it is he):
Ekphobippe's in her thirties, and Deinomache is in her seventies, so maybe Deinomache was still quite attractive in her fifties... That's my theory, though don't expect me to draw it >.>
Ununnilium:
Bah, you people complaining about updates! He should go on vacation for a month just to weed you out! Back in my day narble narble narble...
Exy:
I have to wonder what Deinomache looked like that long ago for Ekphobippe to crush on her.
George (for it is he):
Well, I'm going to do everything I can to stay on schedule this year. I don't think I missed an update during the entire first chapter, so I must be capable of it. This is what I've told myself, anyway.
Mel:
You have problems with updating... I don't mind if you don't but don't lie and say you update twice a week if you don't. Just set a more realistic schedule for yourself and us if it takes you so long.
JD:
Ummm…update please. I miss this comic!
Mel:
Update time?
Josh:
I just started reading the comics, and I love 'em.
Foxby:
HAPPY NEW YEAR, just a weeee bit late.
sailortitan:
I almost voted Melanippe. It was *so* close. But Eutropia just barely squeaked ahead of her. I have a soft spot for transpeople.
Foxby:
I'd have voted for Kerasi/Berikoko if I'd been sober. Also, Merry Christmas Eve and Kheerful Kwanzaa Eve Eve to all'y'all!
Exy:
If I could have voted more than once I would have given my spare vote to Hypsipyle. But alas, I'm just always rooting for Belanidi.
George (for it is he):
Most likely, it was counted. The poll was kind of buggy and wouldn't show your vote unless you refreshed the whole page. Probably won't be using Micropoll again.
Ununnilium:
You know, I voted for Sappho, but I didn't see it show up. Now I wonder if I actually voted for her or if her one vote is someone else...
M. Northstar:
I voted for Androdameia, but Cyrene is my second favourite character. It's just that she hasn't had too much screen time and character development yet.
George (for it is he):
New comic up later today. Also, to the one person who voted 'Other' in the poll... WHICH other? O.O
George (for it is he):
The shoutbox (somewhat crudely) curtails posts that have angle brackets, thus seriously reducing my repertoire of emoticons.
Gabe Puratekuta:
...[INSERT NAME HERE}Crap, I didn't know that would happen....
Gabe Puratekuta:
Ah, I see. She feels that a poem would spark the greatness of love between her and
Sarah:
I love this comic. Especially the characters. The art is nice and clear and works for the storyline.
Foxby:
I always loved the crazy old names but now I don't remember any of 'em.
Berserk:
My total favorite is Ess' slave. Too bad I keep forgetting her freaking name
George (for it is he):
Incidentally, apologies if anyone's having trouble getting the poll to load. The site that hosts them seems to get a little slow from time to time. Which is something I wish I'd known when I made the poll...
George (for it is he):
Yeah, the way the poll refreshes is a little confusing; I too thought it was broken initially. Also, if you're struggling to choose, try to imagine the character whose face you'd most like to see on a small object.
Foxby:
It's hard to pick a character; I mostly know them by their appearance. ^^;
Moo:
Whoops, nevermind, just had to refresh it.
Moo:
Huh, either I'm doing something wrong, or the poll isn't workin' quite right. I try to vote for Tryphosa and it comes up with no new vote.
George (for it is he):
Woo. Character poll.
Exy:
Heck, George. I leave town for a wedding and when I come back the comic's back on schedule! I need to go to weddings more often.
Dianna:
I don't think we are really concerned about historical accuracy at this point XD
George (for it is he):
Ooh, I could write an essay on this subject. I do enjoy TG themes (if they're at least semi-realistic), and Eutropia is my nod to that. However, there are many problems inherent to applying modern-day concepts of gender and sexuality to ancient cultures. Oh yeah: new comic hopefully up later tonight.
Foxby:
Dianna: As in, transgender? Very risky surgery in ancient Lesbos...
Gabe Puratekuta:
My, what a naughty mind Harmonia has XD
Dianna:
hee hee. I love it, though part of me really hopes that there are some TG parts to it :3
Foxby:
I thought you'd end the naughtiness at "boobs," and then this. But then again, I thought the Tweet was going to be misleading. xP
Judith:
Hey, I just remembered, I have pictures of hyenas from my trip to kenya, their on my facebook page so you could at least see pictures of wild ones
George (for it is he):
Hoping to have a comic up later tonight, starring Pantariste and Harmonia.
wright:
Yay, updates and a new shoutbox! Thank you, George.
Lee:
I'm increasingly of the opinion that TV channels are a lousy place to watch TV programmes. Between the intrusive commercials, on-screen graphics, squashed credits and the ever-present danger of abridgement for the insertion of even *more* commercials, it makes a lot more sense to just buy the DVD if you can afford it.
Ununnilium:
DS9 forever!
DBear:
Gatamache certainly is attached to Beard Guy, isn't she? I wonder if he is actually her....naaaaaaah
George (for it is he):
Um... Glad to be of service?
Laura:
WOOT ONE OF THE FEW FIRST INCEST MOMENTS IN LIFE
Katboy:
LOL! Poor Ess get misunderstood wherever she goes!
Sam:
George: Fair enough. The fact that they eat their prey bones and all is pretty awesome. Oh, and I did read your rant on the state of British TV. It's always nice to know that there's something wrong with another country. Makes me feel all patriotic about our Big Brother being replaced by a cooking show.
Ross:
That was... amazing! D
George (for it is he):
Still working on today's comic. The theme is 'unfortunate implications'.
Foxby:
They can digest anything? Hoo, and I was wondering how I'd get rid of these bodies.
George (for it is he):
Hyenas are my favourite animals! And not just because of their startling genitourinary systems. They're more efficient hunters than lions, their social hierarchies are more complex than those of chimps, they can digest ANYTHING, and they're also ridiculously cute. This has been me, talking about hyenas.
Sam:
George: You tweeted that a zoo not having hyenas was a deal-breaker. Please tell us your interest in hyenas has nothing to do with the females having phalli. (Incidentally, my dictionary gives both plurals.) Temperance: "Hey, Rocky. Watch me pull a 'rabbit' out of my 'hat'!" "But that double-entendre NEVER works!"
Temperance:
To Sam: I've been away for a few days--bemused by your list of possible filtered communications. But I would suggest that instead of winkie-and-bull stories, I'd rather hear a bull-winkie story ("but that pun NEVER works!")
Foxby:
Also, Beard Guy is the best character. I find his internal conflict very enlightening and relatable, and hope to use the wisdom he has gained in my own life.
Foxby:
Don't worry about phalluses/phalli. Keep in mind that these are people speaking, and people ain't always grammatically right.
Sam:
Heh. When I saw the title "An Actor's Life for Me" it reminded me of the time a minor character on Xena came out as a thespian. Gabrielle: "She said 'thespian', didn't she?" Xena: "That's what she said."
George (for it is he):
Been working on some new stuff for the cast section, so the next comic will hopefully be up this evening.
Sam:
Hmm... Not only have I found a way to exceed the 350 character limit, but some of those words sound much ruder censored.
Sam:
George: Right. No more swearing, now that I've found out what your filter actually does. And hopefully no-one will have cause to tell us some winkieamamie winkie-and-bull story about a winkieney pilot having to deal with an invasion of winkieroaches in the winkiepit while the flight attendants serve winkie-a-leekie, winkieles and winkietails to a winkieatiel.
Foxby:
That raises a good point-- I've never heard someone swear at a more-than-minor injury.
George (for it is he):
That said, I do still have pretensions towards PG13-ness, so I'd prefer it if swearing was used only when appropriate - ie, minor injuries or existential crises.
George (for it is he):
Yes. I was originally going to remove it, but then I added just one word. For fun! Also because at the time I assumed nobody would use the shoutbox.
Sam:
Wow. Does your profanity filter only block one word?
Sam:
I can? Does that mean I can say "cunt"?
Sam:
So can I mention that this is an example of the "Scunthorpe problem"?
Sam:
Okay, the hyphen didn't do it. Apparently we can say dick, but can't use a synonym for rooster. Which also makes it hard to discuss male peafowl, raising the firing lever of a gun, or people whose surnames are pronounced (but not spelled) Coburn.
Sam:
George: Swear-filter? So we can say "dickface", but we can't hyphenate winkieeyed?
Sam:
starcat: What? I said "as long as George is just doing this as a hobby he can slack off as much as he likes." Did I not make it sufficiently clear that that is in fact what I presume to be the case? By the way, I do read IWC.
Foxby:
I almost like them more without names; it kid of enforces the 'still looking for an identity' deal they've got goin' on.
George (for it is he):
Oh, they have names. They just haven't come up in the story yet.
Heraclea:
Going to have to give names to those three one of these days.
Duggan:
^_^ Love the screaming man in the background, captures her shock entirely.
Moo:
Ah good to see an update, welcome back George.
George (for it is he):
Thanks for the comments, Temperance, and I apologise for your comment being slightly marred by a swear-filter I keep forgetting I still have >.>
Temperance:
"Sign me up" (in a manner of speaking) in support of this wonderful and eclectic comic. Yep, I was frustrated with no comic and no updates--but remember when 'Order of the Stick' was running on a winkie-eyed schedule. Welcome back, glad to see you, and no, I refuse to feed the trolls. (And lordy Foxby...I just got the whiteface!)
M. Northstar:
Which is why you could totally get away with it.
George (for it is he):
I really didn't take Sam's post as all that critical, honestly. It's certainly true that were I trying to make money from this, I'd have to stick to a tighter schedule. Well, there ARE webcomics that have huge delays and still make money, but they get away with it due to being really good...
starcat:
For the unfamiliar, that's Irregular Webcomic!, it updates seven days a week. It's very good, and I love it, but Amazoness is a totally different comic. Do I want more Amazoness, more regularly? Yes. Do I want George to change his comic to do that? Oh hell no.
starcat:
Sam, what about this webcomic makes you think that he's doing it to make money from you? Or from anyone? Plus the fact that in each annotation there is either "hey look, I updated!" or "wow I'm on a roll for updates" which is a clue that hey, it might not be timely. But it's still DAMN GOOD, so it's worth it. If you're annoyed, go read IWC.
Foxby:
Are they wearing... whiteface...?
Vampiric:
No bad Gatamache that man is not people food... okay technically he is people food just not food for people
Foxby:
@Gabe: Well, he didn't have long to live anyway. 8D;;